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Chappell Roan Asked Lorde if She Was Nonbinary. This Was Her Response

Lorde has shared more information about her "expansive" gender journey in a new cover story — revealing that fellow pop star Chappell Roan even asked whether she's now identifying as nonbinary.



New Zealand singer-songwriter Lorde has opened up about her gender identity in a new interview with Rolling Stone, explaining how she responded to fellow musician Chappell Roan asking if she was non-binary.


In the wide-ranging chat with the iconic music magazine, Lorde discussed how her gender expression has “broadened” and how that has influenced her upcoming album, Virgin.


Lorde told Rolling Stone that she is “in the middle gender-wise,” and referenced a chat she had with her friend Chappell Roan. The lesbian pop superstar asked Lorde, very directly if she was non-binary; Lorde replied, “I’m a woman except for the days when I’m a man.”





“I know that’s not a very satisfying answer but there’s a part of me that is really resistant to boxing it up,” she went on to tell the Rolling Stone interviewer.


Lorde explained that she first started to think more broadly about her gender in 2023. She tried on a pair of men’s jeans and sent the photo to her Virgin collaborator Jim-E Stack. He responded “I want to see the you that’s in this picture represented in the music.”


Then, while writing one of the songs that appears on Virgin, “Man of the Year,” she said she tried to visualise how her gender felt in that moment, and dressed in men’s jeans, with duct tape on her chest: a look that was reflected the outfit that Lorde wore to the Met Gala this year.



Lorde has previously explained that her new album Virgin was inspired in part by her “coming into [her] masculinity” and feeling her “gender broadening a little bit”.


Speaking to artist Martine Syms for culture magazine Document Journal, Lorde – who’s real name is Ella Marija Lani Yelich-O’Connor – explained that “What Was That” was “the first music of [her] rebirth”.


“I had come back from London to New York after this period of great turbulence in my personal life. Becoming single, but also really facing my body stuff head-on, and starting to feel my gender broadening a little bit,” she shared.



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